07 911 turbo vs 07 Z06

**Rob** · March 16th, 2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

Vipers suck ass. You and I couldn't be any different in car tastes.

BTW, what do you drive now?

On a serious note, I'm honestly trying to decide between a C6 and 335i for my daily. I'm currently leaning towards the BMW.

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 08:54 PM

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

Vipers suck ass. You and I couldn't be any different in car tastes.

BTW, what do you drive now?

What is to dislike about a Viper?

**F1_SS** · March 16th, 2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

Jesus Christ, look at this f***ing radio & steering wheel combo. SERIOUSLY how did they approve this?

SERIOUSLY that steering wheel looks like it belongs on a childs power wheel.

**Jack Daniels** · March 16th, 2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Yes. It retains the classic Porsche gauge layout (five across). If you sit in one, you'd notice the leather is superior to that of any Chevrolet car. If you actually try to say otherwise, I know you're just lying to me in order to play Devil's Advocate.

The dash materials don't feel cheap, and the knobs and buttons don't feel like hollow, cheap plastic.

I was a true Porsche lover for many, many years. Honestly. Then I woke up, stopped drinking the kool-aid and realized they're just average sports cars that are way overpriced and overhyped, and are really nothing all that special. It's true more today than ever before.

**Rob** · March 16th, 2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

I was a true Porsche lover for many, many years. Honestly. Then I woke up, stopped drinking the kool-aid and realized they're just average sports cars that are way overpriced and overhyped, and are really nothing all that special. It's true more today than ever before.

That...was a lot of vagaries and bias, but whatever. To each his own. You can buy Pontiacs and I'll buy Porsches and we'll both be happy.

**Jack Daniels** · March 16th, 2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

What is to dislike about a Viper?

Nothing if you want an uncomfortable uncompromising all out performance car. By today's standards, they're just crude. Fine for a weekend brawler, but not for every day. Z06 has eclipsed the Viper in every way.

**F1_SS** · March 16th, 2007, 08:57 PM

Whats even more sad about GM, is that i feel they replaced a better steering wheel (05 vette) to that abomination (06+ cars)

Here is an 05 steering wheel

06+ is the one in the other pic i posted

**Rob** · March 16th, 2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

Nothing if you want an uncomfortable uncompromising all out performance car. By today's standards, they're just crude. Fine for a weekend brawler, but not for every day. Z06 has eclipsed the Viper in every way.

I wouldn't want either for a daily driver. That said, the new Viper will outperform the Z06...and the Z06 is nowhere near as desirable in terms of exclusivity. When you're paying $75,000+ for a toy, that becomes a factor.

**Jack Daniels** · March 16th, 2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

On a serious note, I'm honestly trying to decide between a C6 and 335i for my daily. I'm currently leaning towards the BMW.

For a DD the BMW may be the better choice. Me? I'd get the Vette, just because it's more my style. I owned a BMW once, and I doubt I ever will again.

**ill deuce** · March 16th, 2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

This is my idea of a nice interior.

lots of grey plastic......ooh a screen

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

Nothing if you want an uncomfortable uncompromising all out performance car. By today's standards, they're just crude. Fine for a weekend brawler, but not for every day. Z06 has eclipsed the Viper in every way.

The point of the Viper is to be a weekend car, though some do DD theres. I have driven 2 vipers and didn't feel that they are uncomfortable at all btw.

**George Jung** · March 16th, 2007, 08:59 PM

Everyone just needs to buy an M5 and move on with life, as it is, truly, the perfect daily driver- regardless of imperfections.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

All I know is that the materials used for their interiors are superior. I'd buy a Range Rover even though they break once a week. I'd rather ride something stylish than something reliable.

Or powerful. We've already been over this.

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Originally Posted by Rob

Prestige > quality> luxury> performance

Yes, we know.

**Jack Daniels** · March 16th, 2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

a

Is that supposed to be a nice looking interior?

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ill deuce

lots of grey plastic......ooh a screen

Im going to go on a limb here and say you have never been inside an SL65 amg.

**F1_SS** · March 16th, 2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by George Jung

Everyone just needs to buy an M5 and move on with life, as it is, truly, the perfect daily driver- regardless of imperfections.

I would never buy a sedan with a manual tranny (not sure if they offer an auto)

**Rob** · March 16th, 2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ill deuce

lots of grey plastic......ooh a screen

Sit in one and then spout the same nonsense.

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For a DD the BMW may be the better choice. Me? I'd get the Vette, just because it's more my style. I owned a BMW once, and I doubt I ever will again.

Yeah, I'm leaning towards the BMW, but I'm also wondering if I should wait till late this year/early next year for the 2008 BMW M3. That said, we'll see what happens. The best thing about the BMW is I can lease it and then trade it in for a M5 or M6 in three years.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ill deuce

lots of grey plastic......ooh a screen

It gots da navigation nigga!!!

**ill deuce** · March 16th, 2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

SERIOUSLY that steering wheel looks like it belongs on a childs power wheel.

**ill deuce** · March 16th, 2007, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Sit in one and then spout the same nonsense.

you have confused with someone who gives a s***

**ill deuce** · March 16th, 2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

Im going to go on a limb here and say you have never been inside an SL65 amg.

you got me confused too

**Jack Daniels** · March 16th, 2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Sit in one and then spout the same nonsense.

Yeah, I'm leaning towards the BMW, but I'm also wondering if I should wait till late this year/early next year for the 2008 BMW M3. That said, we'll see what happens. The best thing about the BMW is I can lease it and then trade it in for a M5 or M6 in three years.

'08 Sebring.

**George Jung** · March 16th, 2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

All I know is that the materials used for their interiors are superior. I'd buy a Range Rover even though they break once a week. I'd rather ride something stylish than something reliable.

Prestige > quality

Truly an automotive enthusiast here, ladies and gents. You know who else doesn't care about performance as long as it's remotely adequate and reliability in lieu of it being pretty?
Little school girls.

**George Jung** · March 16th, 2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

'08 Sebring.

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ill deuce

Please don't tell me you are comparing an F430 steering wheel to a C6?

**F1_SS** · March 16th, 2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ill deuce

That steering wheel is f***ing bad ass. I wish the vette had a steering wheel that could control vital functions of the cars performance.

**F1_SS** · March 16th, 2007, 09:07 PM

s***, until 07-08 the vette didnt even have the steering wheel radio controls that the F body had.

**ill deuce** · March 16th, 2007, 09:07 PM

the law of diminishing returns applies to interiors too

a 30k interior is better than a 20k,a 60k is better than a 40k,but is a 120k that much better than a 80k?

**ill deuce** · March 16th, 2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

That steering wheel is f***ing bad ass. I wish the vette had a steering wheel that could control vital functions of the cars performance.

yeah,i'm, so badass that i can't take my hand off the wheel for 1.6 seconds to adjust the traction system

**ill deuce** · March 16th, 2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

Please don't tell me you are comparing an F430 steering wheel to a C6?

it looks stupid

but it's got a switch and a button

**George Jung** · March 16th, 2007, 09:11 PM

That steering wheel has a complete different set of function requirements to mesh with form. Not really a fair comparison, especially given today's "clean" styling.

**F1_SS** · March 16th, 2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ill deuce

yeah,i'm, so badass that i can't take my hand off the wheel for 1.6 seconds to adjust the traction system

Yeah, you have no idea what that wheel can do.

I believe thats a $40K steering wheel.

**Jack Daniels** · March 16th, 2007, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

Yeah, you have no idea what that wheel can do.

I believe thats a $40K steering wheel.

For $40k, it better have a glory hole.

**George Jung** · March 16th, 2007, 09:15 PM

look at that POS interior on a $220,000,000 aircraft

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by George Jung

That steering wheel has a complete different set of function requirements to mesh with form. Not really a fair comparison, especially given today's "clean" styling.

Which one?? The Ferrari??? That wheel is badass, then again the 430 is basically a racecar...hence the fact you can change the suspension with the knob.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

That steering wheel is f***ing bad ass. I wish the vette had a steering wheel that could control vital functions of the cars performance.

Are you kidding? It looks like a caricature.

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

Are you kidding? It looks like a caricature.

**George Jung** · March 16th, 2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigT

Which one?? The Ferrari??? That wheel is badass, then again the 430 is basically a racecar...hence the fact you can change the suspension with the knob.

Yes. It has completely different function requirements than the corvette or Porsche wheel. Function defines, at least in part, form. Well, function constrains form; it's safe to say that.

**ill deuce** · March 16th, 2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

Yeah, you have no idea what that wheel can do.

I believe thats a $40K steering wheel.

i've seen it in use

a 40k steering wheel is a sign of our society's downfall

**F1_SS** · March 16th, 2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

Are you kidding? It looks like a caricature.

And what does this look like?

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ill deuce

i've seen it in use

a 40k steering wheel is a sign of our society's downfall

I really don't think its $40k either, iirc the enzo steering wheel is $25k.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

I have some breaking news here folks, performance isn't everything. For however that is talking about performance why aren't you driving around in a modded fox body? Thats cheap performance.

Obviously the interior is everything.

Why haven't you answered my Rolls question?

**ill deuce** · March 16th, 2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by George Jung

look at that POS interior on a $220,000,000 aircraft

no leather or carbon fiber?WTF

f***er better have heated seats

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

And what does this look like?

A subdued, nonridiculous 3 spoke steering wheel?

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by George Jung

Yes. It has completely different function requirements than the corvette or Porsche wheel. Function defines, at least in part, form. Well, function constrains form; it's safe to say that.

Of course it does because while the Z06 is really meant for a racetrack, its meant for an OVAL racetrack. 430's are meant for F1 style tracks, meaning hairpin turns.

**ill deuce** · March 16th, 2007, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

And what does this look like?

the steering wheel of a mid priced sports car

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

Obviously the interior is everything.

Why haven't you answered my Rolls question?

No the complete package of performance, luxory, and interior is though. What Rolls question?

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by George Jung

look at that POS interior on a $220,000,000 aircraft

I can't wait till we get that f***ing aircraft here!

**ill deuce** · March 16th, 2007, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BigT

Of course it does because while the Z06 is really meant for a racetrack, its meant for an OVAL racetrack. 430's are meant for F1 style tracks, meaning hairpin turns.

its nice to know a oval track car can turn better times

**Jack Daniels** · March 16th, 2007, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BigT

Of course it does because while the Z06 is really meant for a racetrack, its meant for an OVAL racetrack. 430's are meant for F1 style tracks, meaning hairpin turns.

The Z06 is meant for an oval racetrack?

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

No the complete package of performance, luxory, and interior is though. What Rolls question?

A rolls wouldn't even complete all of those. Honestly if your going to look for ALL three of those, Jaguar/Aston Martin type exotics is what you be looking at then. Comfort, drivability, power, and luxory are all there. Plus you can drive yourself...Rolls are meant to be driven in

**Stanky Rich** · March 16th, 2007, 09:22 PM

i love it.

**94bamf** · March 16th, 2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

The Z06 is meant for an oval racetrack?

Its based off a Nascar, didn't you know that?.......

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ill deuce

its nice to know a oval track car can turn better times

on what track? I've honestly never looked at the times they put out at Nuremburg.

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigT

A rolls wouldn't even complete all of those. Honestly if your going to look for ALL three of those, Jaguar/Aston Martin type exotics is what you be looking at then. Comfort, drivability, power, and luxory are all there. Plus you can drive yourself...Rolls are meant to be driven in

**ill deuce** · March 16th, 2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

i love it.

a steering wheel with buttons=f***ing awesome

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

No the complete package of performance, luxory, and interior is though. What Rolls question?

You guys aren't interested in any kind of total package. You want prestige, exclusivity, and luxury, in that order.

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

I act as if the car was relatively slow, which it is. If you only care about luxury, why not buy a used rolls royce. Super build quality, man.

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

The Z06 is meant for an oval racetrack?

I've yet to see conclusive evidence that car won't roll in the turns on a multi-turntrack and still keep up with something that was designed to actually be on it.

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

You guys aren't interested in any kind of total package. You want prestige, exclusivity, and luxury, in that order.

I just said performance was important

but performance is not everything.