07 911 turbo vs 07 Z06

**94bamf** · March 16th, 2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BigT

Oh I know JD, but thats the point of the argument is that they are still in different playing fields. Yes the Z06 is the best "bang for your buck." But why doesn't Chevy put out a car that could fully compete with those cars in every cat other than performance? Just curious to what ya'll would think of a super 'vette that was in the 6 figures area that had the technology and the money put into the testing to really compete with Ferrari

The problem with that is, no matter how "high quality" they make the vette, no matter how great the interior, no matter how good the build quality, no matter how reliable, it is still a Chevy, and to many people that means it is s***, or atleast not as good as something with the name "Ferrari" or "Porsche" on it....

How many people that spout off on here about how much better porsche or BMW, is than GM have any real world experience with either? Very few..

Perception is everything...

**Jack Daniels** · March 16th, 2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BigT

i know what you mean, but why not put out a 6 figure one that would have all 3 major categories won in everything? Don't you think that would pull more business from say....euro companies??

No I don't, because everyone is so F-ing brainwashed to think that foreign cars are better.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

It is still a vette though. I want something totally different from GM.

See? Completely mindless and utterly without objectivity.

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

It was a joke. Clarkson had so many problems with his he returned it. What do yo say to that kind of mindless snobbery on such boards? It really illustrates just how removed you people are from objectivity. Of course, I wouldn't pay that much either. I'd put my own blower on.

Agreed, and others people opinions aren't going to sway me to another way. but it shows how biased of opinions you'll find on s***. Believe they are called nuthuggers IIRC

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

No I don't, because everyone is so F-ing brainwashed to think that foreign cars are better.

Never said that at all JD

**Stanky Rich** · March 16th, 2007, 09:50 PM

the way i see it, i dont give a f*** what anyone thinks about what i like...

i would take a ford gt over a z06
911 over z06
viper over z06

there is no formula to this s***. its always

's and

's arguing over meaningless SUBJECTIVE stuff.

**Jack Daniels** · March 16th, 2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BigT

I'm talking worldly here:

Other countries don't give a s*** about how fast the car goes in the 1/4 mile because they will never hit that fast. Hell even in the autobahn very rarely did you see a Ferrari (less you were in Frankfurt or Berlin) go flying by. People in Europe demand comfort over performance.

For us:
We all crave having that power, but really, unless you are taking it to the track whats the point? Are you really going to hit 200MPH on the interstate? If you plan on it, let me know so I can turn it to FoxNEWS real quick

WTF kind of argument is this?

We're talking about ultimate performance cars here. You keep changing the rules.

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

You need to stop drinking the kool-aid.

I'd be proud to go home in a Vette. Especially after kicking a Porsche's ass out on the street or track.

What kool-aid? I asked you a question. You where saying you would be proud to go home in a vette after kicking a more expensive cars ass. So if you where driving a C6 Z06 and lost to a rice out civic, would you care?

**Jack Daniels** · March 16th, 2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 94bamf

The problem with that is, no matter how "high quality" they make the vette, no matter how great the interior, no matter how good the build quality, no matter how reliable, it is still a Chevy, and to many people that means it is s***, or atleast not as good as something with the name "Ferrari" or "Porsche" on it....

How many people that spout off on here about how much better porsche or BMW, is than GM have any real world experience with either? Very few..

Perception is everything...

He gets it.

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

See? Completely mindless and utterly without objectivity.

So you want your $100k car to look like every other car on the road?

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 94bamf

The problem with that is, no matter how "high quality" they make the vette, no matter how great the interior, no matter how good the build quality, no matter how reliable, it is still a Chevy, and to many people that means it is s***, or atleast not as good as something with the name "Ferrari" or "Porsche" on it....

How many people that spout off on here about how much better porsche or BMW, is than GM have any real world experience with either? Very few..

Perception is everything...

And that is why GM hasn't made one

Can we blame it on the tainted image they recieved in the 70-80's then?

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

What kool-aid? I asked you a question.

So what? You've yet to answer my question.

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

the way i see it, i dont give a f*** what anyone thinks about what i like...

i would take a ford gt over a z06
911 over z06
viper over z06

there is no formula to this s***. its always

's and

's arguing over meaningless SUBJECTIVE stuff.

I would choose the same cars as you.

**Jack Daniels** · March 16th, 2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

What kool-aid? I asked you a question. You where saying you would be proud to go home in a vette after kicking a more expensive cars ass. So if you where driving a C6 Z06 and lost to a rice out civic, would you care?

For starters, there is no riced out Civic that would be the total performance package that a Z06 is. If someone built one, I'd give him a big thumbs up.

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

So what? You've yet to answer my question.

I did answer your question.

**F1_SS** · March 16th, 2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

the way i see it, i dont give a f*** what anyone thinks about what i like...

i would take a ford gt over a z06
911 over z06
viper over z06

Me too

Im not sure if i myself would purchase a 911 though. I like them but im not sure i would spend the money on that.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

So you want your $100k car to look like every other car on the road?

I can't think of a 100k dollar car that looks like every other car on the road.

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

I can't think of a 100k dollar car that looks like every other car on the road.

Im talking about the blue devil/SS thats coming out.

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

WTF kind of argument is this?

We're talking about ultimate performance cars here. You keep changing the rules.

People outside the US aren't buying exotics just because of how fast they are...one of the most comfortable seats I've been in was a DB9 in London. Put that car up against a Z06 in Europe and people will take the DB9 all day because of its comfort. Here, you'd be more to find ppl who want the Z06 because of its performance. DB9 only goes 200MPH, while the Z06 is able to achieve that for half the price. US sacrifices comfort to keep price down.

**Stanky Rich** · March 16th, 2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

Me too

Im not sure if i myself would purchase a 911 though. I like them but im not sure i would spend the money on that.

porsche's just look so bad ass to me..

2007 Porsche 911 Turbo

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

Im talking about the blue devil/SS thats coming out.

That doesn't look like every other car on the road.

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

For starters, there is no riced out Civic that would be the total performance package that a Z06 is. If someone built one, I'd give him a big thumbs up.

When did this total performance come into the picture? I though it was 1/4 >*

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

That doesn't look like every other car on the road.

It is not going to look that different from a base C6 though.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

I did answer your question.

I don't think so. Link?

**Jack Daniels** · March 16th, 2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

When did this total performance come into the picture? I though it was 1/4 >*

I never said we were talking about drag strip performance.

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

porsche's just look so bad ass to me..

2007 Porsche 911 Turbo

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

It is not going to look that different from a base C6 though.

Neither does a Mercedes Mclaren.

**F1_SS** · March 16th, 2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

porsche's just look so bad ass to me..

2007 Porsche 911 Turbo

No doubt they look bad ass. I love their looks, just everything about them is sweet.

**94bamf** · March 16th, 2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BigT

And that is why GM hasn't made one

Can we blame it on the tainted image they recieved in the 70-80's then?

They haven't made one, because it wouldn't sell....

There is no market for a High dollar Chevrolet..

Its pretty easy to figure out that the market for a $65K vette that wipes the floor with $150+K "exotic" "exclusive" supercars is larger than the market for a $150K vette that does the same thing...

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

I don't think so. Link?

We are on 3XX post here, go look for it because im not going to.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

When did this total performance come into the picture? I though it was 1/4 >*

Nurburgring is the 1/4?

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

Im talking about the blue devil/SS thats coming out.

It doesn't look like every other 'vette on the road, but I understand what your saying man.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

We are on 3XX post here, go look for it because im not going to.

That's what I thought.

**Stanky Rich** · March 16th, 2007, 09:59 PM

i read about ultimate sn95s and foxbodies all of the time in 5.0 mustang with full suspension, new custom interior, completely done up engines, that could give the z06 a run for it's money on any track.. so.. would you want one of them for about the same price?

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 94bamf

They haven't made one, because it wouldn't sell....

There is no market for a High dollar Chevrolet..

Its pretty easy to figure out that the market for a $65K vette that wipes the floor with $150+K "exotic" "exclusive" supercars is larger than the market for a $150K vette that does the same thing...

Im not talking about a $150k vette. I was talking about something totally different.

**Jack Daniels** · March 16th, 2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 94bamf

They haven't made one, because it wouldn't sell....

There is no market for a High dollar Chevrolet..

Its pretty easy to figure out that the market for a $65K vette that wipes the floor with $150+K "exotic" "exclusive" supercars is larger than the market for a $150K vette that does the same thing...

Time for the Euros to step up to the plate and build an affordable performance car.

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 94bamf

They haven't made one, because it wouldn't sell....

There is no market for a High dollar Chevrolet..

Its pretty easy to figure out that the market for a $65K vette that wipes the floor with $150+K "exotic" "exclusive" supercars is larger than the market for a $150K vette that does the same thing...

But there is more of a market than just the US. Yea you may sell 80% more 'vettes with the numbers of beating the floor with exotics. But overseas they could care less.

Chevy is Chevy to them. Ferrari is Ferrari to them not Fiat.

**F1_SS** · March 16th, 2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

Neither does a Mercedes Mclaren.

The Zo6 looks just like the coupe aside from a couple of scoops

The McLaren benz loos way diff from any other benz

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

Nurburgring is the 1/4?

Oh thats right, all the guys here from USA fly over all the time and race around the ring.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

i read about ultimate sn95s and foxbodies all of the time in 5.0 mustang with full suspension, new custom interior, completely done up engines, that could give the z06 a run for it's money on any track.. so.. would you want one of them for about the same price?

Tuner cars are excluded from this discussion.

**George Jung** · March 16th, 2007, 10:00 PM

I'll openly admit I just dont like porsche. Thats it- no rhyme or reason, they just aren't as appealing to me as their competitors- performance be damned. I just dont like it.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

Oh thats right, all the guys here from USA fly over all the time and race around the ring.

Oops! Downplaying performance again. Neverrrrrrr!!!

**Jack Daniels** · March 16th, 2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

i read about ultimate sn95s and foxbodies all of the time in 5.0 mustang with full suspension, new custom interior, completely done up engines, that could give the z06 a run for it's money on any track.. so.. would you want one of them for about the same price?

Not for the same price. It would ride like a race car.

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

Time for the Euros to step up to the plate and build an affordable performance car.

Will never happen

As I said JD, they care about comfort and luxury over performance. Look at the BMW threads we have on here and every one of them has ppl raving about how comfortable those cars are.

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

Time for the Euros to step up to the plate and build an affordable performance car.

They don't want to. There was a rumor of Ferrari building a $150k car called the dino but that wasn't true. they don't want to flood the market and ruin there image.

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by George Jung

I'll openly admit I just dont like porsche. Thats it- no rhyme or reason, they just aren't as appealing to me as their competitors- performance be damned. I just dont like it.

lazy makers IMO.

**94bamf** · March 16th, 2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

Im not talking about a $150k vette. I was talking about something totally different.

Notice I didn't quote you..........

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

Oops! Downplaying performance again. Neverrrrrrr!!!

Yup thats what I was doing there.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

The Zo6 looks just like the coupe aside from a couple of scoops

The McLaren benz loos way diff from any other benz

Ewww! teh side exhaust!!! Righhhhht.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

Yup thats what I was doing there.

That's what you do every time it comes up, without deviation. I've pointed this out the whole thread.

**Stanky Rich** · March 16th, 2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

Tuner cars are excluded from this discussion.

no because we were talking about prestige and what not. half of the argument is performance while the other half chooses the other amenities. the aforementioned stangs are the ultimate performance bargain, because lets say all done up, they can go for $45k. which is it? ultimate stang or z06?

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

Ewww! teh side exhaust!!! Righhhhht.

Why not use Porsche for that example then

That does not look like your average Porsche

**Jack Daniels** · March 16th, 2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

They don't want to. There was a rumor of Ferrari building a $150k car called the dino but that wasn't true. they don't want to flood the market and ruin there image.

And they don't need to. There's enough people with lots of money to spend on their cars.

Still, I look favorable on Chevy for making a car that can compete (and win) for a lot less dough.

**Stanky Rich** · March 16th, 2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

Not for the same price. It would ride like a race car.

so do z06's.

and you are right, not for the same price, you can probably get the previously mentioned stangs for $10-20k cheaper.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

no because we were talking about prestige and what not. half of the argument is performance while the other half chooses the other amenities. the aforementioned stangs are the ultimate performance bargain, because lets say all done up, they can go for $45k. which is it? ultimate stang or z06?

I would take the new vette over the 10 old pimped mustang. I would rather not deal with someone's custom s*** or a race car suspension.

**94bamf** · March 16th, 2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BigT

Will never happen

As I said JD, they care about comfort and luxury over performance. Look at the BMW threads we have on here and every one of them has ppl raving about how comfortable those cars are.

You seem to keep confusing "car" with "performance car"..

When something is called a "PERFORMANCE" car, that means performance is the most important feature, everything else is secondary...

A performance car can be comfortable, but it comfort is the best feature or the one most important to you, you do not want a "PERFORMANCE" car...

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BigT

Why not use Porsche for that example then

That does not look like your average Porsche

No, it doesn't.

**Stanky Rich** · March 16th, 2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

I would take the new vette over the 10 old pimped mustang. I would rather not deal with someone's custom s*** or a race car suspension.

z06's ride like s*** also..

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

so do z06's.

and you are right, not for the same price, you can probably get the previously mentioned stangs for $10-20k cheaper.

However, you are aftermarketing the car to beat something that came that way from factory. Reason tuner cars can't be included in this is because you are changing it from stock. Thats like JD taking a Z06 and putting $60k into it and REALLY destroying a Ferrari. Of course your going to take that over a ferrari b/c its still cheaper.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

z06's ride like s*** also..

They ride about like BMW's under normal driving, but with more interior noise.