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ClassicsDiscuss, 07 911 turbo vs 07 Z06 at General Discussion forum; Originally Posted by BigT
Oh I know JD, but thats the point of the argument is that they are still ...
Oh I know JD, but thats the point of the argument is that they are still in different playing fields. Yes the Z06 is the best "bang for your buck." But why doesn't Chevy put out a car that could fully compete with those cars in every cat other than performance? Just curious to what ya'll would think of a super 'vette that was in the 6 figures area that had the technology and the money put into the testing to really compete with Ferrari
The problem with that is, no matter how "high quality" they make the vette, no matter how great the interior, no matter how good the build quality, no matter how reliable, it is still a Chevy, and to many people that means it is s***, or atleast not as good as something with the name "Ferrari" or "Porsche" on it....
How many people that spout off on here about how much better porsche or BMW, is than GM have any real world experience with either? Very few..
i know what you mean, but why not put out a 6 figure one that would have all 3 major categories won in everything? Don't you think that would pull more business from say....euro companies??
No I don't, because everyone is so F-ing brainwashed to think that foreign cars are better.
It was a joke. Clarkson had so many problems with his he returned it. What do yo say to that kind of mindless snobbery on such boards? It really illustrates just how removed you people are from objectivity. Of course, I wouldn't pay that much either. I'd put my own blower on.
Agreed, and others people opinions aren't going to sway me to another way. but it shows how biased of opinions you'll find on s***. Believe they are called nuthuggers IIRC
Other countries don't give a s*** about how fast the car goes in the 1/4 mile because they will never hit that fast. Hell even in the autobahn very rarely did you see a Ferrari (less you were in Frankfurt or Berlin) go flying by. People in Europe demand comfort over performance.
For us:
We all crave having that power, but really, unless you are taking it to the track whats the point? Are you really going to hit 200MPH on the interstate? If you plan on it, let me know so I can turn it to FoxNEWS real quick
WTF kind of argument is this? We're talking about ultimate performance cars here. You keep changing the rules.
I'd be proud to go home in a Vette. Especially after kicking a Porsche's ass out on the street or track.
What kool-aid? I asked you a question. You where saying you would be proud to go home in a vette after kicking a more expensive cars ass. So if you where driving a C6 Z06 and lost to a rice out civic, would you care?
The problem with that is, no matter how "high quality" they make the vette, no matter how great the interior, no matter how good the build quality, no matter how reliable, it is still a Chevy, and to many people that means it is s***, or atleast not as good as something with the name "Ferrari" or "Porsche" on it....
How many people that spout off on here about how much better porsche or BMW, is than GM have any real world experience with either? Very few..
The problem with that is, no matter how "high quality" they make the vette, no matter how great the interior, no matter how good the build quality, no matter how reliable, it is still a Chevy, and to many people that means it is s***, or atleast not as good as something with the name "Ferrari" or "Porsche" on it....
How many people that spout off on here about how much better porsche or BMW, is than GM have any real world experience with either? Very few..
Perception is everything...
And that is why GM hasn't made one Can we blame it on the tainted image they recieved in the 70-80's then?
What kool-aid? I asked you a question. You where saying you would be proud to go home in a vette after kicking a more expensive cars ass. So if you where driving a C6 Z06 and lost to a rice out civic, would you care?
For starters, there is no riced out Civic that would be the total performance package that a Z06 is. If someone built one, I'd give him a big thumbs up.
WTF kind of argument is this? We're talking about ultimate performance cars here. You keep changing the rules.
People outside the US aren't buying exotics just because of how fast they are...one of the most comfortable seats I've been in was a DB9 in London. Put that car up against a Z06 in Europe and people will take the DB9 all day because of its comfort. Here, you'd be more to find ppl who want the Z06 because of its performance. DB9 only goes 200MPH, while the Z06 is able to achieve that for half the price. US sacrifices comfort to keep price down.
For starters, there is no riced out Civic that would be the total performance package that a Z06 is. If someone built one, I'd give him a big thumbs up.
When did this total performance come into the picture? I though it was 1/4 >*
And that is why GM hasn't made one Can we blame it on the tainted image they recieved in the 70-80's then?
They haven't made one, because it wouldn't sell....
There is no market for a High dollar Chevrolet..
Its pretty easy to figure out that the market for a $65K vette that wipes the floor with $150+K "exotic" "exclusive" supercars is larger than the market for a $150K vette that does the same thing...
i read about ultimate sn95s and foxbodies all of the time in 5.0 mustang with full suspension, new custom interior, completely done up engines, that could give the z06 a run for it's money on any track.. so.. would you want one of them for about the same price?
They haven't made one, because it wouldn't sell....
There is no market for a High dollar Chevrolet..
Its pretty easy to figure out that the market for a $65K vette that wipes the floor with $150+K "exotic" "exclusive" supercars is larger than the market for a $150K vette that does the same thing...
Im not talking about a $150k vette. I was talking about something totally different.
They haven't made one, because it wouldn't sell....
There is no market for a High dollar Chevrolet..
Its pretty easy to figure out that the market for a $65K vette that wipes the floor with $150+K "exotic" "exclusive" supercars is larger than the market for a $150K vette that does the same thing...
Time for the Euros to step up to the plate and build an affordable performance car.
They haven't made one, because it wouldn't sell....
There is no market for a High dollar Chevrolet..
Its pretty easy to figure out that the market for a $65K vette that wipes the floor with $150+K "exotic" "exclusive" supercars is larger than the market for a $150K vette that does the same thing...
But there is more of a market than just the US. Yea you may sell 80% more 'vettes with the numbers of beating the floor with exotics. But overseas they could care less.
Chevy is Chevy to them. Ferrari is Ferrari to them not Fiat.
i read about ultimate sn95s and foxbodies all of the time in 5.0 mustang with full suspension, new custom interior, completely done up engines, that could give the z06 a run for it's money on any track.. so.. would you want one of them for about the same price?
I'll openly admit I just dont like porsche. Thats it- no rhyme or reason, they just aren't as appealing to me as their competitors- performance be damned. I just dont like it.
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i read about ultimate sn95s and foxbodies all of the time in 5.0 mustang with full suspension, new custom interior, completely done up engines, that could give the z06 a run for it's money on any track.. so.. would you want one of them for about the same price?
Not for the same price. It would ride like a race car.
Time for the Euros to step up to the plate and build an affordable performance car.
Will never happen As I said JD, they care about comfort and luxury over performance. Look at the BMW threads we have on here and every one of them has ppl raving about how comfortable those cars are.
Time for the Euros to step up to the plate and build an affordable performance car.
They don't want to. There was a rumor of Ferrari building a $150k car called the dino but that wasn't true. they don't want to flood the market and ruin there image.
I'll openly admit I just dont like porsche. Thats it- no rhyme or reason, they just aren't as appealing to me as their competitors- performance be damned. I just dont like it.
no because we were talking about prestige and what not. half of the argument is performance while the other half chooses the other amenities. the aforementioned stangs are the ultimate performance bargain, because lets say all done up, they can go for $45k. which is it? ultimate stang or z06?
They don't want to. There was a rumor of Ferrari building a $150k car called the dino but that wasn't true. they don't want to flood the market and ruin there image.
And they don't need to. There's enough people with lots of money to spend on their cars.
Still, I look favorable on Chevy for making a car that can compete (and win) for a lot less dough.
no because we were talking about prestige and what not. half of the argument is performance while the other half chooses the other amenities. the aforementioned stangs are the ultimate performance bargain, because lets say all done up, they can go for $45k. which is it? ultimate stang or z06?
I would take the new vette over the 10 old pimped mustang. I would rather not deal with someone's custom s*** or a race car suspension.
Will never happen As I said JD, they care about comfort and luxury over performance. Look at the BMW threads we have on here and every one of them has ppl raving about how comfortable those cars are.
You seem to keep confusing "car" with "performance car"..
When something is called a "PERFORMANCE" car, that means performance is the most important feature, everything else is secondary...
A performance car can be comfortable, but it comfort is the best feature or the one most important to you, you do not want a "PERFORMANCE" car...
so do z06's.
and you are right, not for the same price, you can probably get the previously mentioned stangs for $10-20k cheaper.
However, you are aftermarketing the car to beat something that came that way from factory. Reason tuner cars can't be included in this is because you are changing it from stock. Thats like JD taking a Z06 and putting $60k into it and REALLY destroying a Ferrari. Of course your going to take that over a ferrari b/c its still cheaper.