07 911 turbo vs 07 Z06

**Stanky Rich** · March 16th, 2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigT

However, you are aftermarketing the car to beat something that came that way from factory. Reason tuner cars can't be included in this is because you are changing it from stock. Thats like JD taking a Z06 and putting $60k into it and REALLY destroying a Ferrari. Of course your going to take that over a ferrari b/c its still cheaper.

i was attacking their argument of prestige, not price.

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 94bamf

You seem to keep confusing "car" with "performance car"..

When something is called a "PERFORMANCE" car, that means performance is the most important feature, everything else is secondary...

A performance car can be comfortable, but it comfort is the best feature or the one most important to you, you do not want a "PERFORMANCE" car...

So you don't consider Aston Martin a performance car?

DB9 runs a 0-60 in 4.3 seconds and hits 200...yet it has some of the most comfortable seats you'll ever sit in. Same with SLK-GTR.

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

z06's ride like s*** also..

After a few miles the start to rattle, and lose there roof.

**F1_SS** · March 16th, 2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

Still, I look favorable on Chevy for making a car that can compete (and win) for a lot less dough.

I think they are bad ass for going out there and doing it for so cheap too.

but come on, charge a few thousand extra and have a really nice interior. Even if they add $3k-5k+ to the price the car is still bad ass.

**Mad Martigan** · March 16th, 2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

i was attacking their argument of prestige, not price.

You really can't make that distinction. Prestige, pricing, and exclusivity go hand in hand.

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

i was attacking their argument of prestige, not price.

my mistake

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

I think they are bad ass for going out there and doing it for so cheap too.

but come on, charge a few thousand extra and have a really nice interior. Even if they add $3k-5k+ to the price the car is still bad ass.

I dont want to own something that I can only stand to sit in for maybe 1-2 hours. If I had $60k to spend on any car, I would spend the extra $5k to make it just that much better

**Botz99ss** · March 16th, 2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

I think they are bad ass for going out there and doing it for so cheap too.

but come on, charge a few thousand extra and have a really nice interior. Even if they add $3k-5k+ to the price the car is still bad ass.

They would sell a lot more if they made a nicer interior

**BigT** · March 16th, 2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

They would sell a lot more if they made a nicer interior

Chevy would get more credit wordly if they did it as well. (sorry if i'm beating that like a dead horse but there is more to the market than just what we want)

**Rob** · March 16th, 2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Martigan

You really can't make that distinction. Prestige, pricing, and exclusivity go hand in hand.

Ahh...prestige, luxury, performance, and exclusivity...the ultimate combination.

**Botz99ss** · March 17th, 2007, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Ahh...prestige, luxury, performance, and exclusivity...the ultimate combination.

**SphyNxXx** · March 17th, 2007, 12:34 AM

Id take the Z06 over the 911. A Ferrari may be a different story if money wasn't involved though. If I want some interior to wrap my butt in the finest crap available, I'll get a Lexus LS. The Corvette interior is nice enough for me.

**Rob** · March 17th, 2007, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SphyNxXx

Id take the Z06 over the 911. A Ferrari may be a different story if money wasn't involved though. If I want some interior to wrap my butt in the finest crap available, I'll get a Lexus LS. The Corvette interior is nice enough for me.

The selling point for me on the 'Vette is the exterior styling and powerplant. The interior detracts from the experience.

**Rob** · March 17th, 2007, 12:47 AM

Want to talk about badass cars? The 2007 Jaguar XKR is amazing...nice way to spend $90,000.

**2001Z28M6** · March 17th, 2007, 01:00 AM

Wow, this thread went long.

I learned a lot from this thread.

**Rob** · March 17th, 2007, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 2001Z28M6

Wow, this thread went long.

I learned a lot from this thread.

Speak to me, child. You're not on AIM.

**2001Z28M6** · March 17th, 2007, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Speak to me, child. You're not on AIM.

I actually didn't get past the first page, should I bother readind the whole thing?

I will do what you say.

And I will get on AIM if the demand is high enough.

**Rob** · March 17th, 2007, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 2001Z28M6

I actually didn't get past the first page, should I bother readind the whole thing?

I will do what you say.

And I will get on AIM if the demand is high enough.

It's a fascinating thread. Contact me later if you'd like. We can talk about being savages.

**TheNewMonaro** · March 17th, 2007, 03:38 AM

Frankly for what they cost the 911 interior isn't all that special, though I haven't been in a 997 yet.

That said a blat in a modded 993 Turbo and a GT3 showed my twin brother why I loved cars so much. He was a complete convert

**Jack Daniels** · March 17th, 2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Ahh...prestige, luxury, performance, and exclusivity...the ultimate combination.

Three of those four don't really mean much to me.

**Harmon Rabb** · March 17th, 2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

The selling point for me on the 'Vette is the exterior styling and powerplant. The interior detracts from the experience.

eh. it's not THAT bad. with the 3LT package, the seats are fairly comfy, you have nav (albeit a simple nav that's about as advanced as the one in a civic), heated seats, memory for different driver's settings, etc.

i think that, overall, for the package the C6 delivers the interior is adequate. You DO get a f***load more performance than you get with a 335i. the Z06 interior just falls short, though. the car is too expensive to be having the same exact interior

anyway, it seems to me that all the f***ing f**gots in this thread don't take into account handling feel when comparing the porsche to the z06. the z06 has a bit more outright performance potential. 100%. however, from everything i've read, the porsche has a much better handling feel. since none of us on here are professional drivers, probably every single one of us would go faster in the porsche due to this.

the car i always use for this example is the nsx. a c5z should slaughter a nsx on any track... with a pro driver. i've driven both cars and i'm 100% sure i would go faster in the nsx. the handling is just so much more confidence inspiring, the steering provides so much more feedback, the brakes provide so much more feedback, etc.

unfortunately, when these discussions come up, it's generally a bunch of 22 year old guys who have only driven f-bodies and stangs talking about exotics (or near exotics).. who have never driven any of those cars and don't know that SUBJECTIVE qualities make a non-pro driver much faster.

**Harmon Rabb** · March 17th, 2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

Three of those four don't really mean much to me.

obviously luxury matters to you. you drive a GTO over a f-body. a ls1 f-body outperforms your GTO in every single performance category. yet you drive the GTO. why is this?

**ill deuce** · March 17th, 2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bermanator

obviously luxury matters to you. you drive a GTO over a f-body. a ls1 f-body outperforms your GTO in every single performance category. yet you drive the GTO. why is this?

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Originally Posted by ill deuce

the law of diminishing returns applies to interiors too

a 30k interior is better than a 20k,a 60k is better than a 40k,but is a 120k that much better than a 80k?

**Harmon Rabb** · March 17th, 2007, 11:16 AM

that's nice. i was responding to the fact that he says he ONLY cares about performance. if this were so, he'd be driving a ls1 f-body, NOT a ls1 gto.

**Jack Daniels** · March 17th, 2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bermanator

that's nice. i was responding to the fact that he says he ONLY cares about performance. if this were so, he'd be driving a ls1 f-body, NOT a ls1 gto.

I never said I care only about performance. And I did drive a LS1 f-body for 5 years.

**Rob** · March 17th, 2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

I never said I care only about performance. And I did drive a LS1 f-body for 5 years.

I drove one for four years. Never again.

**F1_SS** · March 17th, 2007, 12:37 PM

I drove an F body for less than 2 years.

I would consider getting another one just for a fun car, but even then i would spend the extra money and get a vette.

A nice fox with an ls1

**Rob** · March 17th, 2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

I drove an F body for less than 2 years.

I would consider getting another one just for a fun car, but even then i would spend the extra money and get a vette.

A nice fox with an ls1

If I were to drive anything besides a brand-new Corvette with any LSx motor in it...I'd have to pick an RX-7 with the LSx swap.

**F1_SS** · March 17th, 2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

If I were to drive anything besides a brand-new Corvette with any LSx motor in it...I'd have to pick an RX-7 with the LSx swap.

I would love an Rx7 with a ls1 but a nice rx7 is pretty pricey.

Foxes are so cheap, i would have to have it repainted and whole new interior (re leather seats,new carpet, new dash, gauges). At that point after the ls1 swap + all the drive train + mods i would be close to a c6 cost if not more.

**Botz99ss** · March 17th, 2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

If I were to drive anything besides a brand-new Corvette with any LSx motor in it...I'd have to pick an RX-7 with the LSx swap.

I still enjoy driving my 99SS. I have only put 9,XXX miles out to so far too, so each time is like the first time.

**Rob** · March 17th, 2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Botz99ss

I still enjoy driving my 99SS. I have only put 9,XXX miles out to so far too, so each time is like the first time.

I enjoyed driving my LS1 Z28 during college, but those days have passed. I'm looking for something more refined now. When it comes to toys, I'm game for damn near anything - I'd love to save my pennies to build a 1968 Dodge Charger, but I also want to buy either a Ferrari or Porsche before I'm 30 as well. I have no problems with a balls-to-the-wall performance vehicle, but when I'm looking at cars like the Z06 and 997 Turbo, it's not about one thing. The '68 Charger would be about one thing.

Decisions, decisions. We'll see where life takes me.

**Cobra Commander** · March 17th, 2007, 01:24 PM

Ha.

This thread finally showed up over after vetteforums, tech, etc. It pretty much went the same way, too.

**Rob** · March 17th, 2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Commander

Ha.

This thread finally showed up over after vetteforums, tech, etc. It pretty much went the same way, too.

03 cobra

**Botz99ss** · March 17th, 2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

03 cobra

**SphyNxXx** · March 17th, 2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Want to talk about badass cars? The 2007 Jaguar XKR is amazing...nice way to spend $90,000.

Ive seen a couple XK8s running around. Very sharp cars, but I wouldn't spend that much on it.

**Harmon Rabb** · March 17th, 2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

I would love an Rx7 with a ls1 but a nice rx7 is pretty pricey.

Foxes are so cheap, i would have to have it repainted and whole new interior (re leather seats,new carpet, new dash, gauges). At that point after the ls1 swap + all the drive train + mods i would be close to a c6 cost if not more.

other than for a "cool" factor, what is the point of swapping a ls1 into a fox?

you can swap in a 347 stroker with bad ass heads and forged internals for about the same price

**SphyNxXx** · March 17th, 2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

If I were to drive anything besides a brand-new Corvette with any LSx motor in it...I'd have to pick an RX-7 with the LSx swap.

RX7 looks > Foxbody looks by 100000%

**F1_SS** · March 17th, 2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bermanator

other than for a "cool" factor, what is the point of swapping a ls1 into a fox?

you can swap in a 347 stroker with bad ass heads and forged internals for about the same price

Im familiar with ls1 stuff (heads,cams) things like that. I dont want to start learning mustang stuff.

I doublt i would ever do a hybrid swap since there is so much cost involved to get a car to my standards. I would rather just buy something nice and make it fast.

**Stanky Rich** · March 18th, 2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

Im familiar with ls1 stuff (heads,cams) things like that. I dont want to start learning mustang stuff.

I doublt i would ever do a hybrid swap since there is so much cost involved to get a car to my standards. I would rather just buy something nice and make it fast.

5.0 technical stuff is a lot easier than ls1s

i would love a fox with an LSx though.

**Harmon Rabb** · March 18th, 2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by F1_SS

Im familiar with ls1 stuff (heads,cams) things like that. I dont want to start learning mustang stuff.

dude, the 5.0 couldn't be simpler

far less complicated than the ls1's computer setup with returnless fuel systems and s***.

wtf is there even to know about ford stuff? order short block from DSS. call up edelbrock, tfs, or afr and say "can i have a set of your most bad ass ford heads please? and what intake should i use?" then call up comp cams and say "can you recommend a cam for a 347 stroker with [whatever] heads?"

there you go. pretty damn simple.

**Harmon Rabb** · March 18th, 2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

i would love a fox with an LSx though.

i wouldn't. more expensive motor, more complicated electronics, stupid fuel system, more expensive parts, power potential isn't any better. wtf is the point?

**Stanky Rich** · March 18th, 2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bermanator

i wouldn't. more expensive motor, more complicated electronics, stupid fuel system, more expensive parts, power potential isn't any better. wtf is the point?

wow factor.

**Harmon Rabb** · March 18th, 2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

wow factor.

then do something that hasn't already been done. swap a 6.1 hemi into a fox body. swap a viper v10 or an amg motor into a fox body. not the ls1 which has already been done a bunch of times

**Stanky Rich** · March 18th, 2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bermanator

then do something that hasn't already been done. swap a 6.1 hemi into a fox body. swap a viper v10 or an amg motor into a fox body. not the ls1 which has already been done a bunch of times

because swapping a viper engine is no where near the same cost as swapping an lsx engine. nor do i want a 6.1 hemi either. i want a damned lsx...

if i showed up at atco with an lsx in a foxbody, it would be awesome and certainly original. i don't care what someone else did across the country.

**George Jung** · March 18th, 2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bermanator

i wouldn't. more expensive motor, more complicated electronics, stupid fuel system, more expensive parts, power potential isn't any better. wtf is the point?

LSX > 5.0 HO

**Harmon Rabb** · March 18th, 2007, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by George Jung

LSX > 5.0 HO

i'm sorry but i don't see the point in spending the time and effort to swap a lsx motor into a fox body when you can just use a ford motor that makes just as much power for less money.

**Stanky Rich** · March 18th, 2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bermanator

i'm sorry but i don't see the point in spending the time and effort to swap a lsx motor into a fox body when you can just use a ford motor that makes just as much power for less money.

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Originally Posted by Terror

wow factor.

**Harmon Rabb** · March 18th, 2007, 06:35 PM

i see nothing wow about a fox body. they're great cheap cars and make great hot rods, but they're a dime a dozen. if you want to wow me, swap a lsx motor into a new stang or something

**Stanky Rich** · March 18th, 2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bermanator

i see nothing wow about a fox body. they're great cheap cars and make great hot rods, but they're a dime a dozen. if you want to wow me, swap a lsx motor into a new stang or something

it adds the wow factor to the car. lsx fox > 5.0 fox.

**Harmon Rabb** · March 18th, 2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror

it adds the wow factor to the car. lsx fox > 5.0 fox.

not worth the time/money/effort. spend the money on a gorgeous paint job, install an all-custom interior, or something like that

sorry, i just don't get it.

**Nick** · March 18th, 2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bermanator

i see nothing wow about a fox body. they're great cheap cars and make great hot rods, but they're a dime a dozen. if you want to wow me, swap a lsx motor into a new stang or something

You'd definitely catch more attention with an LSx in a brand new Mustang rather than a fox body.